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Contrary to mass belief, Satan and Lucifer are two different names and are not the same exact entities. This is the current misconception that many Bible believers have come to know for many generations already.

Lucifer is actually the angel of God that He named in heaven as one of the most, or perhaps the most perfect angel ever created. It was only when Lucifer was cast down from heaven that his alternate entity was known as Satan. Lucifer was banished because of his pure egoism, not to mention his pride that was regarded as his greatest sin. Hence by theory, Lucifer is the first one to have committed sin.

Lucifer is the name of an angel whereas Satan is the name given to the devil. It is said that Satan has lived in the Spirit world for more than 6,000 years. In this regard he has not yet been visible to human beings. It is however foretold that he will make himself visible soon by appearing physically in the world and will call himself the Beast, a very remarkable being that will proclaim himself as God.

Lucifer is not the opposite of God because he was also a creature made by God. He can thus be more likened to Michael the Archangel, in terms of position. On the other hand, Satan connotes more on the idea of an opposing resistance.

The misconceptions between Lucifer and Satan, as the exact same entity or name, started with the misinterpretations of the Gospel by various sectors. Lucifer is a name that was mentioned only once in the KJV or King James Version of the Bible, specifically in Isaiah 14:12. But in Hebrew, the literal translation for his name would mean ‘to shine’ or ‘to bear light.’ In the said gospel, Lucifer was likened to the parable of the King of Babylon wherein he was seen as someone who wanted to rule over all making himself similar to God. This monarch would be depicted as a man who will see the collapse of his dominion. He will die like a man, eaten by worms and his grave being walked upon. This could not be Satan because Satan has no physical form. He is a spirit that lives in the dark Spirit world, postulated to be somewhere between heaven and earth (just below heaven).

Summary :
1.Lucifer is the highly favored angel created by God whereas Satan is his name when he was thrown away from heaven.
2.Lucifer is an angel of God whereas Satan is the name of the devil.
3.Lucifer is not the exact opposite of God whereas Satan is a name that pertains more to opposition.
4.Lucifer has a physical form whereas Satan does not have any.

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  1. 1) Lucifer is a Latin name, which means it originated in Rome. How could it have a literal meaning of “to bear light” in Hebrew texts. Two different languages, not much in common between them.

    2) Bible verses to reference this? I’d like some, please.

    • You are correct. It’s a Latin name. And actually in Latin his “name” before he “fell from grace” was Luxbel which means “Beautiful light” in Latin. But after that it was changed to “Lucifer” which means “Ferocious light” or “Light from sulfur” (hence the association with sulfur in hell and around devils, demons, etc..). While “Satan” or Shaitan is simply Adversary in Hebrew and Aramaic.
      And then you have a third character know as The Serpent. Totally different from the first two. Yet so many people love to worship triangles so they made those three characters into a triangle, sometimes referred to as The Infernal Triangle, as opposed to the other known as The Supernal Triangle.

      • this whole article is way off and so are most the responses, Satan the individual originates from various characters given the title satan which is hebrew for obstacle and in the Old Testament Satan or the satan characters were servants of god who tested or accused christians. the name Lucifer was given to the character Satan through a MISinterpretation of Isaiah 14 in its latin interpretation where the name Lucifer ( the morning star) was used as the best latin word for the name of a Cannanite deity also Is.14 was a taunt to the king of Babylon Nebuchadnezzar ( not helel) because he had recently been defeated by Cyrus the Great of the Persian Empire, it had nothing to do with fallen angels or anything divine and all the phrases that hinted at divinity were analogy not allegory . so even though the whole concept of Lucifer is merely a product of poor interpretation( made by Origen) and modern myths and not actual biblical scripture Lucifer and Satan are none the less the same character . and during medieval times where Church Fathers and their made up stories which they preached as true to the bible , they often said that Satan and his Angels were in a place called the foggy air which is a place between heaven and earth where the fallen can still mess with humans a bit but not much .


        1. Lucifer was never an angel of god in the bible it wasnt until fairly recent christian myths most of which were influenced by FICTIONAL works such as Dante’s Inferno and Miltons Paradise Lost

        2. Lucifer means Light Bearer and was the name of a Roman deity who represented the morning star used to replace the name of the Cannanite deity of the morning star in the Latin translation. The name Satan was originally a title for any beings who were obstacles/accusers or testers in the bible and then it became the proper name of an individual who worked for god , he didnt rule hell or anything like that , Hell isnt even in the bible its also a product of church father BS and modern fictional stories.

        3. Satan is not in opposition to God except in revelation where he will over step his boundries and be defeated by michael and since revelation is a prophecy of the future those events have not taken place so right now Satan is still in control of the world under the employment of God

        4. Lucifer/Satan do not have physical forms and even in the modern myths surrounding the character , him and all other divine beings including angels and demons are incorpeal beings and are often described as only being able to commit 2 of the 7 sins , Pride and Envy because the rest of the sins are tied to physical desires.

        5. oh and most those names like Samael , Eremiel and so on are fairly recent and are not in the bible most of them were made up in fictional works so stop placing significance into them.

        • the roman empire was start satans role on earth lightgiver ie]lucifer is as his name donates is light satan is oppressor they are separate entities he is also gabriel satan is michaael war is between them and christ is him that survives saviour the left hand god creator constantine destroyed truth for greed power keep accusors earthly empire intact so far he has managed thisl light giver has win over satans darkness he shall be saviour light will survive nero was satan and he can be seen overtakeing earth at this time light bearer will win i know this if a lie is poweful enough and made into bible which was edited beyond truth then that is what people believe it is man made followers light bearer will have light inside them it is knowledge of truth followers usurper satan will have darkness within its that simple world order has return truth soon the battle has begun in earnest

          • Ok Lucifer,Devil,Demon or Jinn(genies,) Over time much of the original bible is lost mistranslated, or edited crazy. Because many Hebrew or Yiddish words do not translate to English nither does Aramaic. I read the Story of Moses (Mustafa) in the Quran it didn’t sound as crazy as it did in the bible. Satan,Lucifer, the devil or diabol deg 3 different things. Lucifer was of god, he fell. Devil(Devils) Have no free will just like Angels. In a bibli

        • I love how you stress Dante’s Inferno being fictional as if the books of the Bible aren’t. Hilarious, thanks for laugh.

          • So you pay no respect to science and secular historians virtually unanimously agreeing that Christ existed; thereby, laying a rock solid foundation for the most accurate and consistent text in the history of mankind.

            I honestly pity you, if your stated opinion is still the case.

            I will recommend a book for you, “The Case for a Creator”. If you are an open minded person, without some sort of grudge, perhaps you will find it useful.

          • I guess you’ll laugh at anything. These are just opinions. Some right & some wrong but, most people are trying to learn something.You on the other hand don’t know enough about anything to contribute so, you insult people with ignorant thoughts you made up in your mind but, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. I know it. You know it & every person that read your comment knows it. Denying Gods Word is denying Jesus & God. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
            The Bible is the inspired word of God & has everything we need to know to grow closer to God & reading it we know right & wrong. It is the foundation a person needs for making good decisions & discernment. Rejecting it breeds ignorance, confusion & lack of common sense. I’ll refer back to your comment. Jesus wants to save you if you will just ask. Eternity is a long time & what you think, want or hope doesn’t change the fact we all will spend it in heaven or hell. Please don’t choose the latter. Jesus is the only way out & will help you when nobody else can. It’s all in the Bible. Just read it.
            For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

        • I liked your comment, Yes God created Evil, and Satan is following God’s Plan for God’s Purpose.

          • God did not create satan to be evil, that contradicts God’s character, I agree lucifer is not satan, nor has it ever been satan. But I disagree with satan following God’s purpose, for one, God doesn’t tempt

            James 1:3 says ”Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

            since angels do God’s will, God would never command an angel to tempt someone as He Himself would not do so, satan clearly oppresses God

            Zechariah 3:2-3
            Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.
            The LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan! Indeed, the LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”

            why would God rebuke satan if he was going along God’s plan? did God rebuke him for kicks? obviously not.

        • Great Comment, see nothing to disagree with, Lucifer is a Myth, Satan is Real.

        • To Thialfi Blanc
          I actually really appreciate what you said. It makes a lot of sense and cleared up a few misconceptions.

        • Satan is real, Lucifer is a Myth or Lie, all of Christainity is believers in Lies, you take out the TRUE BELIEVERS IN THE SON ( 30 AD to 325 AD), you get what we have today. Paganised Christainity. Christ is the ROOT and Offspring of DAVID. Figure that out, you will be seeking TRUTH. Try the Women Seed and the Serpent Seed, for Enlightenment. Here is a little TRUTH from the SPIRIT OF TRUTH. There was 7 Ages, before the First Son of God was put on this World (Adam) Luke 3:38. The Soul stays in the Grave until Resurrection, God’s word is Mighty and Powerful, Sharper than any Two-Edged-Sword, Piercing even to Dividing Asunder of Soul and Spirit. This happens at Death. That is TRUTH, if you can handle it.

        • Satan is real, and a servant of God, Lucifer is but a Myth.

        • You are only telling half a truth too!!!!!

        • Hello there can I ask if LUCIFER AND ENKI are the same god

        • So that’s where Lucifer gets his name “son of the morning” because he was an angel or MorningStar Prior to being banished from heaven?

      • You have no idea what you are talking about. This article is completely wrong and makes no sense.

      • The name of Lucifer before it was lucifer is not the argument of this discussion. This is what turns people away from reading forms like this. When people think they know the answer to every topic. What ever the language was when adam was created; and what ever the holy spirit told the writer his name was, it was so. Everything after that has all gotten twisted.

      • Satan is the Serpent, the Dragon and the Devil. Lucifer is but a Myth.

      • First I’d like to point out an obvious error here, without any need to detail why.

        Sorry, there weren’t any Christians in the OT!

        Thialfi Blanc
        November 14, 2010 • 7:36 pm

        this whole article is way off and so are most the responses, Satan the individual originates from various characters given the title satan which is hebrew for obstacle and in the Old Testament Satan or the satan characters were servants of god who tested or accused christians.

        There is no need for me to single out those I found in error, however allow this to enlighten you a bit…

        Lucifer, yes is the Father’s most favored and most beautiful of all creations. It is said, Lucifer is his first creation. This is why Lucifer’s pride is such that it is — being first, most beautiful, and favored by the Father. Lucifer fell from grace for pride is what is said, but his sin wasn’t the pride at all. This is the story: When the Father created Adam, he spoke to Lucifer and said “watch, whatever he names the animals is the name I have given them, now bow beneath my perfect creation”. Lucifer’s sin was that the Father told him “bow beneath my perfect creation”. To which he said “I will not bow to that imperfect creature”. He defied the Father. For some reason, someone along the way, has the gotten the idea that because man has “free will” and can choose, that all creations are allowed this right. So it is the pride that has become the reason, while failing to see that the Father didn’t ask Lucifer — he commanded him! — Lucifer defied the Father.

        Satan, on the other hand fell from grace for a completely different reason. Satan, we all know is man’s accuser. The first mention of Satan in the Bible is Job. In those days, certain angels were “watchers” of man. However, Satan along with other “watchers” saw man as beautiful and thus had sex with man. This is where it leads to the Nephilim and eventually Noah’s flood. The big picture is outside the scope here.

        Making a connection that the serpent in The Garden is Satan is a stretch. Satan wasn’t even mentioned until a much later period, after man had been on Earth. Also, this does not fit within Lucifer’s downfall which took place while Adam was in the Garden. Lucifer is not “man’s accuser” — Satan is. And yet nobody has said Lucifer was the serpent — it’s is Satan. 🙂

        Simply put, outside the literal meaning of Lucifer and Satan, and they are completely different entities, their sins being completely different, their point of entries into Biblical teachings, and the fact that No Where is it written nor a Jewish teaching, that Lucifer became Satan. To add another name such as “The Devil”, which is a Greek word and a Greek concept, and passing it all off as all one in the same, well…

        Please keep in mind, unless you are Jew, your understanding, quite frankly, is not going to truly match up with “our” understanding on what is written. This is part of the reason why we Jews had always remained apart from everybody else, hence Jews and Gentiles. It’s clear to this day, even when the OT scriptures have been translated, including the NIV which went back to the Hebrew, not the Greek or Latin, and certainly not the KJV which is biased favoring KJ, and was to be a more accurate and less convoluted version, is not reaching the reader in which a Jew would clearly understand the meaning. These are Hebrew/Jewish ideas and wordings. It’s not simply a case of reading it and it’s meaning understood to the extent a Jew would. I’m not trying to make it out as we have higher than Gentile understanding, however in Judaism, like La Cosa Nostra — it’s a Jew thing.

        There are many examples, such as Christianity’s “thou shall not kill”, when it fact “it’s murder”; which is a completely different concept. That is a simple “proof of concept” that I’m trying to convey. There is also the “son of man” concept that clearly has been taken in Christianity to mean a whole new idea and have more meaning than it does in Judaism. Another example is the difference with Adam. Adam was not the first man. Because it’s placement in Genesis comes immediately following the 6 days of Creation and 1 day of rest does not mean that Adam, since spoken of next must be the first man.

        Here’s the short answer: I’m sure everybody is familiar with the story. Before Adam fell from grace, he was simply a soul.
        As it is written: The Father told Adam he would die IF he ate of the Tree of Knowledge. Let’s not contend with the symbolism and keep the answer simple. Satan comes along, Adam tells him what the Father said, and Satan says “no you wont die”. Adam ate, and in fact, did not die. Being a soul, he was not a “man” as you might think Adam being a man would be — yet. After the Father banished him, it says “Adam became a living soul”. This is the point Adam died and became a “man” as you think of Adam.

        Without going any further with more details and explanations, I hope this demonstrates the difference in how you have been taught and you yourself have read it.

        Perhaps more focus should be spent on understanding man’s fall, the reason Adam’s genealogy is detailed and how it applies to Gentiles, Lamech’s curse, why Noah and his special role, and finally the flood. The things I just mentioned are all tied to each other.

        Ok friends, I’ve given a bit information than I should have. In the end, one way or another, every thing I’ve said is in the bigger picture. I hope I can reach at least one of you, “light a spark”, and from here you see questions to answer or maybe just to know more from a different source.

    • I agree with the others here saying the Old Testament (Hebrew) “Lucifer” is probably from the Isaiah reference to Helel.
      I understand the Hebrew word was not “Lucifer” but that is what is used in many modernish Bibles for the Isaiah 14:12 verse. The New Testament is very convoluted over Lucifer and Satan, so I thought we were referring to the two separate entities from the Old Testament modernly translated as Lucifer and Satan, or Helel the Light-bearer/Morning Star, and HaSatan the Accuser/Opposer.

    • The truth is Lucifer is a hero because he knew God was and is EVIL. Knowing that he was no match for EVIL Jehovah Lucifer stood up to God for us. Lucifer is love and God is hate.

      • Right. He’s done a great job changing things.

      • Thats the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard anyone say

      • I laugh at you Fat Bastardo. With your blasphemous write up I can see that you are a step away from hell. It’s a great pity that Lucifer and Satan have blindfolded you and made you and those who reason like you to be blinded to the truth. God is LOVE. That was why He gave His begotten Son, Jesus Christ to come and die to redeem sinful and bastardised human race back to God…which Jesus Christ did successfully. Lucifer Satan on the other hand is the worst hateful beast and worst enemy man has ever had. Lucifer Satan represents HATE whose only joy is found in killing, stealing from and then destroying everyone and everything God Almighty created. Hell is made for Lucifer Satan and fallen demonic angels with him. But he had sworn not to burn in hell alone. That is why he is so busy deceiving people in order to make sure they don’t make Heaven. Open your eyes and accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior before it is too late. Jesus Christ is Lord of lords and King of kings!!!

        • For me personally, i dont believe any religion yet. Im not a atheist but im also not a believer, and from my point of view looking at sources. I think Lucifer wasn’t evil at all, he just loved God above all else and refuse to bow down to humans when God asked him to.

          • TheFallenAngel, come on. You got that from the show Supernatural or some other crap. Lucifer rebelled because he loved God but didn’t want to bow to humans? When, where? Where’s your proof?

          • Wheres proof of the opposite?? A book written by the hand of man XD

        • If an immortal being supposedly dies to absolve our sins and comes back to life a few days later, doesn’t that sort of ruin the deal? That’s like the time Superman fought Doomsday and everyone thought Supes was dead and he really wasn’t… But even then, this whole post is to differentiate two separate entities that are commonly mistaken as the same thing. But all religious people do is argue over semantics and try to sound the smartest over something that doesn’t exist, created by people that wanted control over land and people. As most monotheistic faiths have done. For example the Pharoah Akhnauten (probably spelled wrong) tried to destroy the Egyptian pantheon to make a single God: Amun-Ra.. In the same right look at every other Monotheistic faiths and how the slaughter others and bread hatred for anything that isn’t of their belief. Everyone claims their God is one of love and peace yet do things like flood the world or make people kill their children or even allow no form of justice for a woman raped and makes them commit to marriage.. You know, because that is love, right? And yes, I know it is Old Testament.. But seeing as it is the foundation of your faith then it is as relevant as the cherry-picked New Testament (the Bible: the sequal – Jesus Edition). But if the old isn’t relevant anymore because a new version is out and is completely different than doesn’t something seem fishy? Like how it was a bunch of lies so they needed to be corrected and retold by modern people that cannot possibly know what exactly happened? Anyways.. Religions are lies bound in books, created for the weak-minded that need to make purpose from their insignificant lives. It is hatred, misogynistic, and bigoted. Be a Satanist and believe in yourself and accept people for how they are instead of casting judgement and hate their way. Free yourself from the hypocrisy of myths and be a damn human. Do what you want. Enjoy life. You don’t need religion to determine your worth or your ability to be a “good person” (which I haven’t seen so far from religion).

      • Can I ask do you know if LUCIFER AND ENKI are the same god as well as ENLIL AND JEHOVA

    • Hey I know there’s a delay but Lucifer actually means “morning star” to be honest with you I think this article was a lot of personal opinion and what I like to do is get 5 sources. Cheers

    • Satan and Lucifer are most certainly two seperate entities. The biggest difference between the two has been completely overlooked.
      What would that be you ask? Satan is masculine while Lucifer is feminine. two completely different energies. Now take what I just told you and apply it to the worship of the “Virgin Mary” in Catholicism. (I am a recovering Catholic myself) Lucifer is also known as Isis/Innana/ Dianna/ etc
      You will not find truth in one place….it is scattered in bits all over the place well beyond the bible.

  2. You’ve done well with your analysis, but pride alone wasn’t Satan’s downfall. Pride alone is just pride. It was his action that made God cast him and the nephil (fallen angels) that followed him out of heaven. One slight error and to answer Nina’s question, Lucifer isn’t written in the original Hebrew. Lucifer was the name of the king of Babylon. The Catholic Church changed the word in the Vulgate to Lucifer from Helel. Lucifer wasn’t his name. It was Helel, which means brightness. Think of the names of the other angels, ending with “el”. Helel is also the word for the morningstar. He was the morning star, and now he’s the adversary/opponent.

  3. Sorry, the Catholic Church changed the name to Lucifer as a way to translate the name Helel into Latin. My mistake. It doesn’t really change what I said, but wanted to correct my mistake.

  4. You guys got it all wrong, me and my homeboy Lucifer smoke fat blunts and chase tail together all the time

  5. Thialfi,

    You did some good research, but some of it was flawed as well and you didn’t go very far with the rest. If Isaiah was talking about Nebuchadnezzer, he would have wrote that name and not Helel. It is originally Helel there. The term “king of Babylon” is given in some prophecies to mean a future person, not a person from the past. Explain with your logic about the plague of locusts having hair like angels but their master was Apollyon, which is “destroyer” in Greek and is usually meant for the Devil. What about that plague corrolating with Numbers 13:33 where the word “giants” is the Hebrew word “nephil”, which really means “fallen”. How the “nephil” were described like grasshoppers, just like in Revelation 9. Do you have an explanation for the serpent really being Satan, as is written in Rev. 20:2? How could God say that the seed of the serpent and the seed of Eve would be opponents of one another if Satan wasn’t a real fornation. While Sawtawn can mean “stumblingblock”, the most apt meaning is “opponent”. I agree that we form our thoughts about Satan from some of those old religious paintings and are erroneous. I would point out though that Jesus described a Hellish place in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. Both were with God with only a gulf (kasmah in Greek which does mean gulf or chasm) dividing them, but Lazarus was in the bosom of Abraham while the rich man wasn’t so fortunate. The rider of the white horse is the Beast, and the Antichrist human being. The Antichrist will die. It says when Satan is kicked down here, the bottomless pit will open. That will be the future Hell. Satan is named Death, and Hell will follow him. As is written in the early chapters of Job, Satan was pretty much allowed to go where he wanted, which is why God had to ask him where he was. If Satan was in a place called Hell somewhere under our feet, then God wouldn’t need to ask him where he was. I agree with your opinion about the faulty doctrine of Hell.

    • Helel is not a person , jeeze your making the same mistake as Origen did when he interpreted Isaiah 14 as a commentary about Satans fall from grace . Helel is the hewbrew word for Light bearer and the latin word for Light bearer is LUCIFER, Isaiah was using analogy, the morning star is the King Nebuchadnezzer which rises to the ” heavens ” and then falls every day very simple analogy shouldnt be this hard to understand. Isaiahs taunt was written against Nebuchadnezzer because the King banished the Jews from babylon and so when he was defeated by Cyrus of Persia Isaiah taunted him. thats that.

      And in Numbers is referring to the world before the great flood, the Nephil were sons of god who mated with mortal women and their offspring were giants and when those giants were killed tthey became ghosts who tormented mankind, these “ghosts” have no relation to “Satan” the only character who remotely resembles Satan is a Son of God named Mastema who asks God to not destroy all of the Ghosts because he uses them to test mankind, so God leaves mastema a few giant ghosts and gets rid of the rest

      Another mistake you are making is interprating the Old testament with the New Testament , the use of Babylon as a term in prophecies like how its used in Revelation by John is the only time it is used, until later church father work which is not truely valid in the biblical canon.

      also you are getting all the different translations mixed up, Apollyon is a GREEK work probly used in the greek translation, the word helel and lucifer are essentially the same word and they are not people just words for the morning star aka Light bearer .

      you really need to read Henry Angsar Kelly’s SATAN: A Biography , and maybe you should take some courses in biblical canon like i did , ive taken the courses History Satan and History of God. idk where you are getting your info but its just not right .

      • I’m not denying there wasn’t wisdom with the translation of Helel to Lucifer, but that has to do more with the definition “morning star”. How does Nebuchadnezzer fit with “light bearer”? Because he’s like a falling star? That’s a huge stretch at best. You can’t name me one other instance where any prophet changed the name of a person in order to help taunt him. Just about all names mean something in Hebrew. Why would Isaiah taunt Nebuchadnezzer when he prophesied that the Jews would become captive of him? God told him to warn the Israelites of what’s to come unless they changed their ways that they would be taken to Babylon, but would someday return. Wasn’t Nebuchadnezzer just fulfilling prophecy? It says he would be put down to hell in the sides of the pit. What pit? The bottomless pit? The same one that John described is opened when Satan is kicked down here and spends a thousand years inside? What pit was designated for Nebuchadnezzer?

        What Greek translation? There is no Greek translation. The NT was originally written in Greek since Greek was a universal language in those days. What you did with the “nephil” absolutely makes no sense either. How does “nephil” and “giants” come together being that nephil means “fallen”? In Numbers it describes the nephil as being grasshoppers. In Rev. 9, the plague of the locusts describe them as having hair like angels. Who are they? Apollyon is the Greek word for Devil, and he is their master. A third of the angels fell, hence they are the nephil or nephilim. The plague of the locusts is the plague of the fallen angels. They have hair like angels, but aren’t God’s angels anymore.

        God allows Satan to tempt us to weed the unfaithful from the faithful. Only the election of grace have been permanently judged among our creation so far because they were judged innocent. To what does their innocence comes from? What did the rest of our creation do and when did we do it, considering the election of grace were judged before this life? The angels are done making their allegiance. With free will, those that remained faithful won’t fall for future Helels or become future Helels. That is why God allows Satan to tempt our creation. He doesn’t want to take away our free will. He didn’t want to give us all a pass to allow this cycle to repeat over and over again. He created this age with His Son as the way out of eternal damnation and to have everlasting life. You don’t have to believe in Jesus to get to heaven, but do in order to have everlasting life. At the end of this age, the mystery of God will be finished. The decision will be put upon our whole existing creation. The next age is one final chance. The Dead are those that live their life wickedly and/or making the wrong choice. They will be given their “lives” back and Satan tries to tempt them again after he is released from the same pit Isaiah was talking about. Those that follow Satan try to make war with the saints, but God stops them and ends that age. Then the books are opened and judgment is given. Only Satan and the fallen have been permanently judged guilty.

  6. Isaiah 14:3-20. Lucifer wasn’t an angel. Isaiah was speaking in metaphor against a particular Babylonian monarch. Whether (the) Satan was an angel is open to interpretation. He is a djinn according to Muslims. He is “the accuser,” not “adversary.” He appears in some of the oldest Hebrew literature (Job), as part of an older oral tradition, which probably extends outside of Hebrew origins. In fact, some postulate that the Satan is of Zoroastrian origin.

    It’s just rude those who claim this is fiction, however. You don’t know that anymore than you know who wrote Beowulf.

  7. There is written of a future king of Babylon which Satan will be referred to as. In most cases, Satan’s name meaning is “adversary/opponent” and in only several instances is traced back to “persecute” more accurately. He is the opponent and has and will persecute our creation. Job was one of the first examples of that. Job was most likely written by Moses who also wrote Genesis through Deuteronomy, and most of the cases in Genesis Satan’s name meant “adversary”. Also, the original word for Lucifer was Helel, which many angels’ names ended with “el”. Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael to name a few. The saviour of the Muslims that comes does the same things that Satan does in the Bible. He will cause the beheadings of the infidels is just one example. Their Satan is the complete opposite of the Judeo-Christian Satan, which will lead to the fulfillment of the prophecy that Christians will be killed in the name of God.

    • They are being Killed at this very moment. Wake-Up you Blind Christians. anyone that believes in a Trinity are following Devil Doctrines. The Lost Sheep can hear are Lords voice and Know We are Fighting against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS in HIGH PLACES. Those Christians Dieing are Fulfilling the Word of God, As believing in His Name they are Saved. Praise the Father and Son’s Holy Names and let Their Kingdom Come. Satan is Real, Lucifer is a Myth.

  8. Instead of having all this complicated religious debate that sadly most people won’t understand, why not just say simply wether Satan and lucifer are one and the same beings who along with Thier names once stood for differAnt things. I’ve never heard of this helel stuff. What I dot don’t get I there was once one original bible why don’t we keep that instead of all this damn differAnt ones. It just confuses people and makes them not want to give a fuck. It might be hard to understand and it might be in a differAnt language but what the hell kind of right did we have to ever recreate the bible to our convience? I’m so interested in all this, but I just want the damn truth. I don’t want to read 20 differAnt types of bibles written by differAnt people of differAnt
    Times and places. I just want the original thing to read in it’s original format and I will learn the damn Hebrew
    Or Latin language myself. How I interpret it is up to me alone just like everyone else should instead of debating Thier opinions being right or wrong. I’m probably not going to ever read the damn bible or any bibles until I Freakin die then I can just ask myself.

  9. This entire conversation is just high sounding hocus-pocus which originated from the worshippers of Satan, who don’t want to admit who they worship. This is just more Satan Spin, which has been going on for millennia – put out by Satan/Lucifer, the ETs, and all others who are his minions. The Great Deceiver continues to deceive.

    I wouldn’t waste time with all these other sources (which S/L is behind). Check with the Source: The Only God – the creator of the cosmos. It’s in His Word, the Bible, which people who don’t read it have many opinions on. That’s another thing … the Bible clearly says that those who are not in a relationship with Jesus Christ (God in the flesh) have no hope of comprehending His Word. Yet, the deceived do it all the time.

    Hint, hint: The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.

  10. In a literal sense, Satan is connected with the planet Saturn, the Adversary. And Lucifer is connected with Venus.

    Samael is Mars.

    Michael the Archangel is alternately the Sun, and Mercury. Michael as the psychopompos, the guide of the living to the Underworld and of the dead into rebirth and heaven, is exactly comparable to Mercury. Both Michael and Mercury are heavenly scribes as well.

    The War in Heaven has an astronomical basis.

    The Virgin Mary is the Moon — and is the Holy Spirit also as the Moon. Eve is the Earth. Adam is the First Man (Michael the Archangel’s reflection in Man) and Adam is the Last Man (the seventh) Jesus Christ. Michael is the Heavenly Warrior who rules Heaven during the Day and Jesus Christ is the other side of Michael, the human side, who rules the Earth during the Night — at least who blesses the Earth during the Night.

    • I know there are astrological associations with the mythos and lore, and celestial bodies. I admit I don’t know enough of the rest to comment though.
      I was just pointing out it is clear in the Old Testament names and usages that Satan and Lucifer are quite different beings, and as with many things biblical, the church that evolved to what we have today has shorthanded many of the meanings and oversimplified or excluded a lot for a certain dogmatic perspectives.
      I agree with you on Lucifer being the Adversary, or Accuser. Ha-Satan does not seem opposed to God at all, but an accuser that tests man for God’s sake.
      Lucifer on the other hand means son of morning, light bringer or morning star. Lucifer is associated with being cast down for pride against the Lord, whereas Satan seems haughty towards Man. http://bible.cc/isaiah/14-12.htm

      In the new testament, you have Satan used interchangeably with Lucifer though it seems, but then the New Testament was more suseptable to Roman council’s dogmas of inclusion and exclusion, and wasn’t as mystically specific as the ancient Hebrew of the Old Testament I think.

      You seem well versed and I am not questioning you on any of what you said, and appreciate your explanations. I would need to study more to really know and understand better. It seems clear we both agree that in the context of ancient scripture, Lucifer and Satan are two different aspects, referred to quite differently.

  11. Lucifer is the Morningstar, or Lightbringer, the proud Angel that challenged God.
    Satan is God’s left hand, not his opposite, the spirit that tests man…
    Very different, neither evil, both forces of nature.
    Pride and guilt both have their place in our growth I think, but both can be very destructive.

    • For sources, if you believe in the Bible at all, just look up what the words mean and the context they’re used…

    • James 1:3 says ”Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

      since angels do God’s will, God would never command an angel to tempt someone as He Himself would not do so, satan clearly oppresses God

      Zechariah 3:2-3
      Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.
      The LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan! Indeed, the LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”

      why would God rebuke satan if he was going along God’s plan?

  12. Hi, it seems everybody is disagreeing about stuff they don’t even
    research, but yet they are so confident..for one example, i saw the
    word nephil or nephilim to mean fallen angel..wrong..just google it
    to see it is the offspring of fallen angels and human women..also
    Sorry to tell you this..you aint going to heaven..period if you dont
    except Jesus.

  13. Two different entities.

    Lucifer kicked out of Heaven – doesn’t matter why – at dawn of time, either concurrent or after creation of Adam. Satan, ha-Satan, Satanael, the Devil was a well-known creature for 6,000 years and is mentioned as Satan in the earlier Hebraic biblical texts. Ezekiel and Isaiah both would have been familiar with him. If they meant Satan and not Morning Star/Lucifer, they would have said Satan, or ha-Satan, or Satanael, or anything with the letters S-a-t-a-n in them. As it stands, Satan is never once mentioned in either the Book of Ezekiel or Isaiah.

    Satan is, however, around from Genesis to Revelation. Job being the most prominent, but also lurking in the Garden of Eden (the Serpent), and as the inducer of God to challenge Abraham’s faith by asking him to sacrifice Isaac (given in fuller detail in Jubilees), and also in Matthew and Luke as the tempter of Jesus in the desert. Indeed, God and Satan’s relationship can hardly be described as adversarial, since Satan is obedient to God.

    Finally, in John, when Satan is defeated, it is mentioned, “And he lost his place in Heaven.”

    He did? He was in Heaven this whole time? Not only that, it says, “And his lost his place in Heaven along with his angels.”

    This is a very simplistic textual analysis, but exactly how many times was Satan kicked out of Heaven? And don’t you have to be an angel to be kicked out? So if Satan is an angel, and since the Bible is the true word of God, doesn’t that mean – according to a Revelation of events yet to come – that Satan currently resides in the Heavenly Choir, doing God’s dirty work?

  14. I still don’t get why the fuck God would create Satan.

    • That would be like asking…Why would he even create us, are we not capable of the same evils?…And don’t blame it on the devil because that would contradict our free will would it not?

  15. He didnt created satan, as he also didnt created your hell.

    He created you and gave you a oportunity to join him or get antoher path. Satan is the rebilion angel, he didnt created him, he created lucifer, but people change, and also their spirit.
    Now he wants to live in darkness and spoil makind, you can see him as a deep shadow, satan now is the son of the morning, dark, before light.

    The one that was bright, now is a shadow.

    Its called freedom to choose.

    Respect the lord.

  16. Personally i think that Satan was Lucifer in the begining , but, when he was cast dawn he received the name ‘Satan’, which means ‘the adversary’, and lost the old name ‘Lucifer’ which means the bringer of light. And i also think that after his fall another angel received the name ‘Lucifer’.

  17. Thanks to Satan we became like our creators: SMART!
    We shall show a little gratitude to him.

  18. for me Satan still remains the Bringer of light!

  19. Abraham had two names at one time in his life.
    His birth name was Abram but when God chose to make a covenant with him God gave him a new name…Abraham.

    Lucifer is actually a good name. That’s who Satan was in the beginning. The most beautiful angel.

    When he thought he was so much better than God and let his foolish thinking take over and fell from grace he became Satan…the devil.
    It’s not really all that hard to comprehend.
    I don’t think Satan wants to be called Lucifer now!!!

  20. Astronomically : according to some astrophysically predictive mathematicians; Gemma Cephei will take over as the morning(north) star on, or about 3000AD.. Polaris will be cast out of its station in heaven.
    Perhaps this is what the texts mean when they claim Lucifer’s fall from grace. Their way of refferencing cosmic time? And perhaps what the texts meant also is that Babylon will fall due to this transition,.. causing immense turmoil. Perhaps the great flood that swamped cities such as Babylon was due to this cosmic transition. Perhaps this scenario will come into play again over the next thousand years… peace will come.

    I have my own personal theories of the angels being a group of life forms that figured out how to immortalize their electron clouds(spirits). And that because they were able to do so; created rules of engagement with younger life formed out of the cosmic chaos throughout the universe. Could it be that when Satan, and his party broke the rules of engagement, they were locked out of reincarnation into their cloned life forms, and jailed in the cores of various planetary bodies? (Polaris drifts out of place), a part of its energy is locked to the the supposedly molten(more apt: ferrite in crystaline cubic form) magneoferrite core of our planet, and will return to its place again because of this dynamic link?

    Theories are just theories. Science, and wisdom, are science and wisdom.

    To me: the Antichrist is representative of a forklift. That which bears the cross for the christ. That which takes up the weight of our sin in place of Jesus… is machine. The wisdom is to note the Antichrist as just that: a Machine. Perhaps the life of Jesus is the wisdom of how to best make use of the Antichrist. Dragging his own cross to the crucifiction site, while we use a forklift… sheesh, if you think about it; we’ve got it pretty good. Although taking the mark of the beast as a medical chip implant should be our right of choice, we are not cattle! I hope we don’t mess it up.

    And God is simply comprehensible in it’s individual graphic explicative sigiled glyphs in that: G=center/source, O=whole/entirety, & D= participle/way.

    These are some of my reality selections I’ve come to implement in my own personal ritual technology. I welcome you to follow my adventures, and life works. Though many have dissapeared into the wormwood of wireless microwaves dissolving through wormholes in the virtual clouds, a sad loss of compiled data, and creative works, some remain accessible. Here is a virtual gateway: Google+ Joseph Smiley sifting13@gmail.com

    • We are all big bacteria if you ask me. Weaknesses in certain parts of the body like the central nervous system or the gastro intestinal system or even the brain itself (choose whatever scientific name you like). As your several different bodily “organs” (lucifer= music) function and age (I believe as we age our organs do slowly deteriorate). Their fore this good and evil battle with self can simply be broken down into a simple matter of Good Health(no condom, drugs, alcohol, cigs, taking wet cilia aka hair into environments that produce a bodily temp that allows negativity aka sickness.. We are our main opposer and adversary or else we would all be in the top financial percentile and satan would make sure we were all wolves of wall street. rolling in the dohhhhhh. literally living the movie feeling all the smut and sickness that we allow our big body of bacterias to be up against. like lung cancer patients or heart patients smoking cigarettes. …..We all feel we have to title negativity and positivity based on texts that are as credible as believing faith in the unseen has credibility in it. Please feel free to debate, agree, or agree to disagree which can be an obsticle to like minds alone.

  21. Fear of eternal damnation is an insane asylum. I will not damn satan or lucifers name simply because a book told me that jesus is superior and the other entities have no choice. Be still can also mean be quiet and see how sane your mind and body really are…..i could ramble on about infectious communicable diseases mixed with moderate drug and alcohol use along with little to none. Infectious communicable diseases alone can rule a generation after generation plus social media gaining more popularity while kids in the lower middle class and poverty/public housing become less popular and better drug dealers…..be an angel and reach out to your kids one allowed poor friends family..

  22. Lucifer is the planet Venus in astrology whereas Satan is Saturn. DO some research on the ruling archetypes on these two ruling planets and you’ll see fundamental differences.

  23. lucifer satan and devil are three different entities according to the Urantia Book a.k.a the truth book. Which revelation is now the correct one? yours or theirs?

  24. Satan and Lucifer were actually lovers (referred to as ‘sodomites’) and therefore separate entities, the former born out of the latters tendency to ‘furiously’ masturbate [in the ‘morning light’ of the Lord (see Parneikiel 4-44 and the formation of the djinn/djizz)]. The confusion arises because they were one and the same being originally, represented by the phallic ‘serpent’ of ouroboros eating its own tail in the garden of Eden [Eineesael 5-38]; the image being such that the serpent therefore ‘penetrates and is penetrated by’ the serpent, a precursor of its subsequent devolution into two separate beings.

  25. Just read the Books of Enoch. They’re the most important books that are NOT included in the standard/orthodox Bible. It gives detailed info on fallen angels, their offspring, apocalyptic prophecies, the origins of evil, etc.

  26. Urantia a “history” book put here in the last 100 years.It decribes Lucifer as the general manager of this part of the universe,satan as one of his workers ,and the “devil” as the manager of this planet earth.They all fell from grace,thats why we on earth a fallen planet are in the shape we`re in.And Jesus is the creator son of God the father.chew on this awile …….

  27. Wa o i was researching to know if Lucifer and Satan is the samething. But am amazed on what i read from the beginning, different strenge doctrine from different denomination and philosophers in the house. May God help us.

  28. Can any of you that know about enlightenment help me with opening my third eye?

  29. Satan and lucifer can’t be the same being…since Satan roams thee earth…and Lucifer is chained in hell until God releases him on the earth…and Lucifer can’t be in more than two places…he can only be in one place…until God releases him for 1000 years…if Lucifer was on the earth…then he’d already be in control…of it…Satan is just second in command after Lucifer…

  30. So in this story isn’t the most unpleasant person God?

    • Looked at objectively the Old Testament god is vengeful and cranky and all about the terror he inflicts on his enemies. Which, interestingly enough, is a common theme among many early dieties in various cultures. Even the “good” ones have a bad side.

      The thing with Lucifer is a pretty muddled mess, due to time, translation, and simple misinterpretation. But the fact is, whether he exists as part of the pantheon of angels that Jewish lore has fleshed out is largely irrelevant. The way ‘Satan’ is used in the lore is more akin to a title than anything else. At least that’s how I look at it.

      The ‘opposer’ is a role more than an entity, and has had many actors play it over the course of the tales.

  31. I dont understand the volume of relpy here. The initial statements are blindingly contraditory. Namely, that Lucifer and Satan are not exactly the same entity but somehow, at the same time, “Lucifer is the highly favored angel created by God whereas Satan is his name when he was thrown away from heaven.” So the SAME entity had a name change. Perhaps we are to be treated as idiots? Not me.

  32. Satan and Lucifer are the same entity.

    Lucifer was the first ever embodiment of God, the angel who carried God himself within;Thus the light bearer.

    John1:1 In the beginning “THE WORD” was with God.

    Now the beginning itself was Lucifer, and within Lucifer was ” THE WORD” Jesus to be, the life source of all. thus:

    In the beginning was “THE WORD” should be written

    In Lucifer was Jesus!

    Now Lucifer rebelled because he believed that, although God created him, he definitely lost control of himself over the immense work God created through him, and allotted all this work to himself, he loved himself more than he loved God, became corrupted, proclaimed to his angels whom he created, that they were all autonomous, they were all subject to him,regarding their existence, and have every right to become contenders for manhood. God and Lucifer commence a battle on this planet which was Lucifer’s actual physical manifestation. Well declared by God in:

    Ezekiel 28: 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thy iniquities, and by the iniquity of thy traffic: therefore I WILL BRING FIRE IN THE MIDST OF YOU, to devour thee, and I will make thee as ashes upon the earth in the sight of all that see thee.

    Thus, the center of this planet is the headquarters of Lucifer, now Satan. So as the above scriptures proclaims all the lava which comes out from mount Etna, Vesuvius and all the volcanoes is the embodiment of Lucifer.

    Now Lucifer became Satan due to the fact that as all creatures are created triune in the image of God, two thirds of Lucifer’s angels, his actual physical embodiment, were cast into this planet locked in the new creation of this world, together with the remaining two thirds in heaven loyal to God and formed the generations of heaven and earth. Lucifer, then Satan, and his personal spirits, demons, simply dead spirits without any kind of function, simply waited for his turn to be involved in this new creation encounter between good and evil. When the first male and female, obvious representing heaven and earth, in SOUL in Adam, and FLESH in Eve respectively were created, he had ever right to test their loyalty to God in the garden, ex Lucifer’s temple, since two thirds of his spirit were intermingled in the creation process.

    to conclude, through Eve his representative like, as the female, flesh,earth,matter in general, Satan used his cunning realizing that Eve was more related to physical senses, and subject to instincts,and blind from spiritual senses, the fact that she made used of all the five carnal senses, something which Adam lacked since he was more related to spiritual senses, of the soul, and blind from the physical senses. Once Eve sinned, Satan the lion had ever right to entered within the embodiment of Eve, she died spiritually and Satan came alive in her for the first ever time,used her mind, manifested himself as the current woman whom Adam was still blind of, and ate of the fruit with the hope to own a similar body, as Eve’s. Disappointed he instead acquired the current carnal body of man. Thus both of them became ashamed since they were counterparts physically, where before in God’s image and likeness they had one same spiritual flesh body, and counterparts spiritually, as scriptures well declares:

    they are not two, BUT TWO IN ONE FLESH!

  33. Are “satan,” “lucifer,” and the devil the same?
    Are you enough of a student to accept what the Bible says and let me know which Scripture you disagree with?

    First, to know the truth, you must:
    1) believe the Bible,
    2) have an inquiring mind,
    3) be open to the truth, and
    4) know at least a smidgen of Hebrew.

    “Lucifer” is a LATIN word in a FEW OLDER VERSIONS (such as the KJV) of ENGLISH translations of a HEBREW document. WHY Latin?
    Because the translators had an agenda to put forth, and brought that Latin word into their work only ONE of the THREE times it appears in the Latin (Catholic) version of the Bible, the Vulgate. Their agenda apparently required that he “fall from heaven” in Is. 14:12, ignoring the subject being addressed in that chapter, the king of Babylon (v. 4) who was worshiped as the “morning star,” which we know as Venus.
    “Lucifer” also appears in Job 11:17 and 2 PETER 1:19. WHY was it TRANSLATED by the same translators these two times and not in Isaiah???? Again, I say, their agenda!

    Now, I hope to show you a “new” idea which most Christians fail to notice, because they don’t read the Bible and put the pieces together like a jigsaw puzzle (Is. 28:10).

    “Satan” is a Hebrew word meaning “adversary” or “accuser.” Almost every time it appears in the Bible, it’s preceded by the definite article “the” (“ha-satan” in Hebrew or “tou satan” in Greek). How often do you read of “the Moses,” “the David,” “the Abraham,” etc. Proper names are not preceded by the definite article.

    Next, if you believe the Bible that says Jesus was “without sin” (Heb. 4:15), and you believe the Bible that says “sin is the transgression of the law” (1 John 3:4), then you should know that the “law” says that God said, “make no mention of the NAMES of OTHER GODS, nor let such be heard out of your mouth” (Ex. 23:13 RSV).
    If Jesus called the devil by a “name” (Matt. 4:10, but speaking to Peter) rather than a title (which “adversary” is), then your Savior sinned. DID HE TRANSGRESS THE LAW?

    If we are not to “mention the names of other gods,” WHY would God give us the name of our greatest enemy?

    Satan, devil, adversary, evil one, beelzebub, etc, etc, are all TITLES, NOT NAMES.

    • What in the world friend has made you post a cleverly thought out attempt at making a point, with references even to back your wording up — And you then at the same time proclaim whether Satan or Lucifer or any other names Christians has decided to use of which all refer to one entity they say, and say “he’s a god”?

      Are you insane?

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